The Chinese government took advantage of the coronavirus lockdown in Hong Kong to arrest Martin Lee, whom I first met 25 years ago in Hong Kong. No protests are possible because groups of more than four people are not allowed in public for health reasons. The Western media’s response to his arrest has been slower and less emphatic than we would have expected under normal circumstances. As I say at one point in this interview, Martin Lee is like the canary in the coal mine. If the methane gas kills the canary, everyone else is in serious trouble. Two representatives of the official Chinese news agency, Xinhua, sat in on the Zoom call from China. The Chinese Communist Party has eyes and ears everywhere. Here is the YouTube link.